I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
medical.

Danny Deger

Starting Sept. 1 go fly your butt off*.

*So many caviats that I can't begin to list them here. Visit
www.sportpilot.org or is it .com? Either way you can get there via eaa.org.

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
m...
> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> medical.
>
> Danny Deger

why not just go get your medical renewed?

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
m...
> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> medical.
>
> Danny Deger

Danny Deger opined

>I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
>drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
>to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
>medical.

That is a good question.

Did you let your medical lapse, or was yoour last application rejected?


-ash
Cthulhu for President!
Why vote for a lesser evil?

"Danny Deger" > wrote in message
m...
> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> medical.

We've kicked this horse a lot.
You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
"Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
otherwise...."
Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting the
rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't take
a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
So, why don't you just go take the physical?

(Danny Deger) wrote in
m:

> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> medical.
>
> Danny Deger

As of Sept 1, you ARE a Sport Pilot...... and subject to the medical rules
therein.

and I think since you dropped in the bit about never being denied a
medical, .... you knew that......

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

On 30 Aug 2004 12:59:15 -0700, (Danny Deger)
wrote:

>I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
>drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
>to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
>medical.

You might want to find an instructor who has read up on this subject
(not many, probably!). You aren't current, so you need a biennial
flight check anyhow.

My understanding is that you don't need the sport-pilot certificate in
order to fly under sport pilot rules. However, my situation is a bit
different from yours: I am going to use the sport-pilot rules in order
to fly into towered airports on a recreational certificate--in other
words, I'm going to continue to fly on my current certificate and
medical.

In 18 months, when I am due for my next physical, I will be looking at
the same situation as you are. Unfortunately, the rules are such that
if you worry about your chances of passing a physical, you're better
off not taking it. (And I always worry. I'm that sort.)


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

Why not just go to http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/index.cfm and
get your questions answered there?

"Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
>
> We've kicked this horse a lot.
> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
> third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
> The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
> otherwise...."
> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
> you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.

Not all disqualifying physical conditions degrade skills etc. For example,
people recovering from cancer are disqualified, but (excepting any
required medication) this doesn't affect their ability to fly.

Everything is about balancing risk. While I'd not be particularly happy
to see a sports pilot chugging through class B airspace over a large
city, what's the harm in allowing an old duffer who still has a gleam in
his eye the pleasure of spending a lazy Sunday punching holes in the
sky over the fields?

> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
>
> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.

Live and let live eh? Remember, even fighting fit 68-year-olds are a
statistical danger to other pilots and innocents on the ground. You should
be thankful the FAA doesn't set the bar so high that even you can't cross
it.

(Danny Deger) wrote in message >...
> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> medical.

Sadly, if your medical is not current because it was denied
previously, the answer is no. Currently, the FAA is requiring those
with previously denied medicals to go through the entire class 3
medical appeal process before being sport pilots. If your medical is
not current simply because you did not want to hand your AME $70, then
you are ok as long as you don't have any known disqualifing condition.
-Robert

Todd Pattist wrote:

> (Robert M. Gary) wrote:
>
>
>>If your medical is
>>not current simply because you did not want to hand your AME $70, then
>>you are ok as long as you don't have any known disqualifing condition.
>
>
> A "known disqualifying condition" is not the test. You can
> still fly under SP rules even if you have a known
> disqualifying condition, the same as you can fly gliders and
> balloons, provided you are able "to operate the aircraft in
> a safe manner." The test is found under 61.53. You can be
> unable to pass a medical under 61.53(a) and still not be
> medically deficient under 61.53(b) for operations that do
> not require a medical.
> Todd Pattist
> (Remove DONTSPAMME from address to email reply.)
> ___
> Make a commitment to learn something from every flight.
> Share what you learn.
Glider and balloon pilots are *self certifying*. That is, they don't
have to hire an AME to certify their medical condition. So, if you have
diabetes and are taking medicine for it, you shouldn't go fly a balloon
or glider. Think about what happens if you pass out and do damage as a
result -- their lawyers would be shapening their knives.

B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
-

"Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> m...
>> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
>> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
>> to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
>> medical.
>
> We've kicked this horse a lot.
> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
> third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
> The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
> otherwise...."
> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
> you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
> the
> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
> take
> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
> Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
> Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
> not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
> So, why don't you just go take the physical?

I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a Special
Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY class of flying
due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement I kept up my medical
(every 6 months) which required a stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood
counts, etc, plus every other test had to include a thallium injection with
a scan. This was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.

After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the thallium
scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my medical. I
thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my cardiologist. But his
and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I let it lapse since I could
teach flight sims without a medical certificate. Since then I have had a
hip replacement and am currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of
the bone marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.

I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80 flight
simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying the
simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite safe to fly.
I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only prescription medicine
I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very interested in Sport
Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my driver's license.

"Darrell" > wrote in
news:TD2Zc.174898$sh.41810@fed1read06:

> B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
> -
>
> "Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
> news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
>>
>> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
>>> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
>>> need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
>>> denied a medical.
>>
>> We've kicked this horse a lot.
>> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way
>> I
>> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting
>> a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
>> The most specious argument against my statement goes something
>> like:
>> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
>> otherwise...."
>> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
>> antihistamine)
>> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc.,
>> then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter,
>> putting the
>> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
>> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
>> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
>> didn't
>> take
>> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
>> Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
>> Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified
>> by
>> not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
>> So, why don't you just go take the physical?
>
> I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a
> Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY
> class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement
> I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a stress EKG,
> cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every other test had
> to include a thallium injection with a scan. This was in addition to
> a normal FAA flight physical.
>
> After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
> simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
> thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my
> medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
> cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I
> let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
> certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am currently
> being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone marrow. I'm
> pointing out these things to show that in some cases it is very
> difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.
>
> I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
> flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying
> the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite
> safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only
> prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very
> interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my
> driver's license.
>
>
>

Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd) some
Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac (other
than HDS) or........

I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of Sport
Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can fly....

The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots, have
to wait until Jan 15th.

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"ET" > wrote in message
...
> "Darrell" > wrote in
> news:TD2Zc.174898$sh.41810@fed1read06:
>
> > B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
> > -
> >
> > "Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
> > news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
> >>
> >> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> >> m...
> >>> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> >>> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
> >>> need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
> >>> denied a medical.
> >>
> >> We've kicked this horse a lot.
> >> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way
> >> I
> >> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting
> >> a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
> >> The most specious argument against my statement goes something
> >> like:
> >> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
> >> otherwise...."
> >> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
> >> antihistamine)
> >> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc.,
> >> then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter,
> >> putting the
> >> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
> >> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
> >> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
> >> didn't
> >> take
> >> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
> >> Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
> >> Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified
> >> by
> >> not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
> >> So, why don't you just go take the physical?
> >
> > I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with a
> > Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for ANY
> > class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following retirement
> > I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a stress EKG,
> > cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every other test had
> > to include a thallium injection with a scan. This was in addition to
> > a normal FAA flight physical.
> >
> > After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
> > simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
> > thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew my
> > medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
> > cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So I
> > let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
> > certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am currently
> > being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone marrow. I'm
> > pointing out these things to show that in some cases it is very
> > difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.
> >
> > I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
> > flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while flying
> > the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel quite
> > safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA. The only
> > prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and would be very
> > interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my
> > driver's license.
> >
> >
> >
>
> Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
> drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd) some
> Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac (other
> than HDS) or........
>
> I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....
>
> In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of Sport
> Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can fly....
>
> The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots, have
> to wait until Jan 15th.
>

Wrong...

He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least once
more and then let the special issuance expire.

ET > wrote
>
> I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....

What's a "bi-annual"? :-) Oh! You meant to say biennial flight
review. But even that term is no longer used either, it's just
a "flight review" now.

BTW, biannual means twice-a-year, we sure don't need that!

Bob Moore
ATP CFI

Bob Moore > wrote in
. 168:

> ET > wrote
>>
>> I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....
>
> What's a "bi-annual"? :-) Oh! You meant to say biennial flight
> review. But even that term is no longer used either, it's just
> a "flight review" now.
>
> BTW, biannual means twice-a-year, we sure don't need that!
>
> Bob Moore
> ATP CFI
>

SEMI annual means twice a year.... But yes I ment to say beinnial.

(after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means twice a
year...)

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"Gig Giacona" > wrote in
:

>
> "ET" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Darrell" > wrote in
>> news:TD2Zc.174898$sh.41810@fed1read06:
>>
>> > B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
>> > -
>> >
>> > "Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
>> > news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
>> >>
>> >> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
>> >> m...
>> >>> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
>> >>> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
>> >>> need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
>> >>> denied a medical.
>> >>
>> >> We've kicked this horse a lot.
>> >> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The
>> >> way I
>> >> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk
>> >> getting a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be
>> >> flying.
>> >> The most specious argument against my statement goes something
>> >> like:
>> >> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication,
>> >> but otherwise...."
>> >> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
>> >> antihistamine)
>> >> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition,
>> >> etc., then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that
>> >> matter, putting the
>> >> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
>> >> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
>> >> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
>> >> didn't
>> >> take
>> >> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have
>> >> passed. Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
>> >> Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be
>> >> justified by
>> >> not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart
>> >> safety.
>> >> So, why don't you just go take the physical?
>> >
>> > I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with
>> > a Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for
>> > ANY class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following
>> > retirement I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a
>> > stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every
>> > other test had to include a thallium injection with a scan. This
>> > was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.
>> >
>> > After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
>> > simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
>> > thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
>> > my medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
>> > cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So
>> > I let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
>> > certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am
>> > currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone
>> > marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
>> > it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.
>> >
>> > I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
>> > flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while
>> > flying the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel
>> > quite safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA.
>> > The only prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and
>> > would be very interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do
>> > that with just my driver's license.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
>> drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd)
>> some Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac
>> (other than HDS) or........
>>
>> I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....
>>
>> In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of
>> Sport Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can
>> fly....
>>
>> The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots,
>> have to wait until Jan 15th.
>>
>
> Wrong...
>
> He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least
> once more and then let the special issuance expire.
>
>

No, he said he let it lapse.

After reading his post again though, what he needs to do is pay the ten
dollars to the FAA to see what they really have on record for him. Did
he really just let it lapse, or did they request furthur info, he not
turn in the info, so they denied it??

--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

ET > wrote

> (after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means
> twice a year...)

Of course, you also meant to type "you're right", didn't you?
"Your" is the possesive form of you, "you're" is the contraction
for "you are".

Bob Moore

On Tue, 31 Aug 2004 10:33:50 -0700, "Darrell" > wrote:

> I'm now 71 and would be very interested in Sport
>Aircraft flying if I could do that with just my driver's license.

I hope you can. It's not clear whether your medical was in fact turned
down.

The big problem of course is insurance. One can always buy a plane and
fly it uninsured, but renting is probably out of the question (it is
for me, anyhow) unless somebody is willing to write an insurance
policy for a sport pilot.

That's still to be determined. I notice that the AOPA insurer doesn't
(or didn't when I looked at the form) cover recreational pilot
certificates.


all the best -- Dan Ford
email: (put Cubdriver in subject line)

The Warbird's Forum www.warbirdforum.com
Expedition sailboat charters www.expeditionsail.com

Bob Moore > wrote in
:

> ET > wrote
>
>> (after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means
>> twice a year...)
>
> Of course, you also meant to type "you're right", didn't you?
> "Your" is the possesive form of you, "you're" is the contraction
> for "you are".
>
> Bob Moore
>

OK, now You Are just trying to get me riled ;-)....

and if you knew what I "meant" then I got my point across.

From now on, I'm emailing you all my posts for spelling and grammer
correction before posting >:-)



--
ET >:)


"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

"ET" > wrote in message
...
> "Gig Giacona" > wrote in
> :
>
> >
> > "ET" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> "Darrell" > wrote in
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> >>
> >> > B-58 Hustler History: http://members.cox.net/dschmidt1/
> >> > -
> >> >
> >> > "Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
> >> > news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> >> >> m...
> >> >>> I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> >> >>> drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I
> >> >>> need to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been
> >> >>> denied a medical.
> >> >>
> >> >> We've kicked this horse a lot.
> >> >> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The
> >> >> way I
> >> >> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk
> >> >> getting a third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be
> >> >> flying.
> >> >> The most specious argument against my statement goes something
> >> >> like:
> >> >> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication,
> >> >> but otherwise...."
> >> >> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an
> >> >> antihistamine)
> >> >> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition,
> >> >> etc., then you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that
> >> >> matter, putting the
> >> >> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
> >> >> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
> >> >> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I
> >> >> didn't
> >> >> take
> >> >> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have
> >> >> passed. Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
> >> >> Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be
> >> >> justified by
> >> >> not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart
> >> >> safety.
> >> >> So, why don't you just go take the physical?
> >> >
> >> > I finished my last 3 years flying Captain for a major airline with
> >> > a Special Issuance First Class medical good for only 6 months for
> >> > ANY class of flying due to a heart bypass operation. Following
> >> > retirement I kept up my medical (every 6 months) which required a
> >> > stress EKG, cardiologist evaluation, blood counts, etc, plus every
> >> > other test had to include a thallium injection with a scan. This
> >> > was in addition to a normal FAA flight physical.
> >> >
> >> > After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
> >> > simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
> >> > thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
> >> > my medical. I thought that was an unnecessary danger and so did my
> >> > cardiologist. But his and my letters to the FAA went unheeded. So
> >> > I let it lapse since I could teach flight sims without a medical
> >> > certificate. Since then I have had a hip replacement and am
> >> > currently being treated for Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma of the bone
> >> > marrow. I'm pointing out these things to show that in some cases
> >> > it is very difficult to get a medical out of the FAA.
> >> >
> >> > I workout 3 days a week, feel great, and am still teaching MD-80
> >> > flight simulator. I have never had any physical problems while
> >> > flying the simulator or while working out at the gym. I would feel
> >> > quite safe to fly. I wish I could get a medical out of the FAA.
> >> > The only prescription medicine I take is Zoccor. I'm now 71 and
> >> > would be very interested in Sport Aircraft flying if I could do
> >> > that with just my driver's license.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Assuming you feel you are safe to fly (medical wise) and you have a
> >> drivers licence you CAN FLY TOMORROW..... in an ercoupe (c or cd)
> >> some Taylor craft, some cubs, etc, not to mention a Sonex or Zodiac
> >> (other than HDS) or........
> >>
> >> I assume you'll need your bi-annual though....
> >>
> >> In spite of all the whining here, that is really the ONLY part of
> >> Sport Pilot that really goes into effect tomorow as far as who can
> >> fly....
> >>
> >> The rest of us who are not yet pilots, and want to be Sport Pilots,
> >> have to wait until Jan 15th.
> >>
> >
> > Wrong...
> >
> > He had a medical denied so he has to jump though the hoops at least
> > once more and then let the special issuance expire.
> >
> >
>
> No, he said he let it lapse.
>
> After reading his post again though, what he needs to do is pay the ten
> dollars to the FAA to see what they really have on record for him. Did
> he really just let it lapse, or did they request furthur info, he not
> turn in the info, so they denied it??
>
> --

I read the following as the FAA had requested (which should be pronounced as
required) further information.

>> > After a couple years of retirement (while teaching MD-80/737 flight
>> > simulator for FSI) a radiologist thought he "saw" something on the
>> > thallium scan and the FAA said I had to get an angiogram to renew
>> > my medical.

If he didn't give them the angiogram I'd bet the FAA would consider that a
denial, though I might be wrong. Wouldn't be the first or the last time.

GigG

As I was taught in SEAL training: Atention to detail!

"ET" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Moore > wrote in
> :
>
> > ET > wrote
> >
> >> (after looking in a dictionary, yes your right bi-annual ALSO means
> >> twice a year...)
> >
> > Of course, you also meant to type "you're right", didn't you?
> > "Your" is the possesive form of you, "you're" is the contraction
> > for "you are".
> >
> > Bob Moore
> >
>
> OK, now You Are just trying to get me riled ;-)....
>
> and if you knew what I "meant" then I got my point across.
>
> From now on, I'm emailing you all my posts for spelling and grammer
> correction before posting >:-)
>
>
>
> --
> ET >:)
>
>
> "A common mistake people make when trying to design something
> completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
> fools."---- Douglas Adams

I let it lapse. 5 years ago I took a medication that resulted in a
significant side effect. I looked into it and due to this side effect, I
would need to go through the waiver process. I don't fly that much, and it
wasn't worth the effort, so I just stopped flying.

Danny Deger




"Ash Wyllie" > wrote in message
...
> Danny Deger opined
>
> >I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> >drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> >to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> >medical.
>
> That is a good question.
>
> Did you let your medical lapse, or was yoour last application rejected?
>
>
> -ash
> Cthulhu for President!
> Why vote for a lesser evil?
>

"Casey Wilson" > wrote in message
news:sZRYc.7084$6q.5186@trnddc06...
>
> "Danny Deger" > wrote in message
> m...
> > I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> > drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> > to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> > medical.
>
> We've kicked this horse a lot.
> You are going to get a range of responses from yes to no. The way I
> look at it, if you have a physical condition that would flunk getting a
> third class medical certificate, then you should NOT be flying.
> The most specious argument against my statement goes something like:
> "Well, I(you/he/she/it) may be taking a disqualifying medication, but
> otherwise...."
> Dang it, if you are taking a medication (let's say an antihistamine)
> that can degrade your skills, abilities, functions, congnition, etc., then
> you damn well shouldn't be taking the risk. Or for that matter, putting
the
> rest of the pilots and people in the area at risk.
> If that isn't the answer you wanted, I don't apologize.
> I'm 68 years old and just recently passed my physical. If I didn't
take
> a wad of (FAA acceptable) pills every day, I would not have passed.
> Well..., I may have passed AWAY.
> Using the driver's license in lieu of a physical may be justified by
> not wanting to incur the expense, but certainly not to thwart safety.
> So, why don't you just go take the physical?
>
>

I posted this in a different place. I'm not on this forum to discuss the
moral implication of flying based on my drivers license, I am here to
discuss what the regs say.

I have a condition that would require a waiver, I would certainly get the
waiver, but based on how much I fly it isn't worth the hassle to get the
waiver.

I will give you a hypothetical. A guy realizes he is dependant on alcohol
and own his own (may a few AA meetings) stops drinking. He chooses to not
renew his medical because of the alcohol dependant question. Let's say he
hasn't touched a drop in 10 years and even when drinking never drove drunk.
Why not fly on a drivers license.

Danny Deger

"ET" > wrote in message
...
> (Danny Deger) wrote in
> m:
>
> > I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> > drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> > to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> > medical.
> >
> > Danny Deger
>
> As of Sept 1, you ARE a Sport Pilot...... and subject to the medical rules
> therein.
>
> and I think since you dropped in the bit about never being denied a
> medical, .... you knew that......
>
> --

I was pretty sure I was OK medical wise, but didn't know if I needed the FAA
to issue me a separate sport pilot certificate.

> wrote in message
...
> Why not just go to http://www.faa.gov/avr/afs/sportpilot/index.cfm and
> get your questions answered there?

Thanks I went there and found this:


An FAA certificated pilot may not use a current and valid U.S. Drivers
License to meet the medical eligibility requirements if any of the following
conditions apply:

a.. Must not have been denied their most recent application for a
medical certificate (if you have applied for medical certificate);
a.. Must not have had their most recently issued medical certificate
suspended or revoked (if you have been issued a medical certificate); or
a.. Must not have had their most recent authorization for a special
issuance of a medical certificate withdrawn (a special issuance is not a
denial).
a.. Must not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that
would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe
manner.

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
om...
> (Danny Deger) wrote in message
>...
> > I am a private pilot without a current medical, but with a valid
> > drivers license. Can I fly under the sport pilot rules, or do I need
> > to apply for a sport pilot certificate? I have never been denied a
> > medical.
>
> Sadly, if your medical is not current because it was denied
> previously, the answer is no. Currently, the FAA is requiring those
> with previously denied medicals to go through the entire class 3
> medical appeal process before being sport pilots. If your medical is
> not current simply because you did not want to hand your AME $70, then
> you are ok as long as you don't have any known disqualifing condition.
> -Robert

Not quite, here's the rule from the FAA site:


"Must not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that would
make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe manner.
"

It does NOT say known disqualifying condition, it say "unable to operate a
light-sport aircraft in a safe manner" Big difference.

Danny Deger

Danny Deger wrote:
>
> Why not fly on a drivers license.

No reason that I can see.

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Danny Deger wrote:
>
> An FAA certificated pilot may not use a current and valid U.S. Drivers
> License to meet the medical eligibility requirements if any of the following
> conditions apply:
>
> a.. Must not have been denied their most recent application for a
> medical certificate (if you have applied for medical certificate);
> a.. Must not have had their most recently issued medical certificate
> suspended or revoked (if you have been issued a medical certificate); or
> a.. Must not have had their most recent authorization for a special
> issuance of a medical certificate withdrawn (a special issuance is not a
> denial).
> a.. Must not know or have reason to know of any medical condition that
> would make that person unable to operate a light-sport aircraft in a safe
> manner.

From what you've posted here, none of those conditions apply. Happy flying!

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.

Danny Deger wrote:
>
> I have a condition that would require a waiver, I would certainly get the
> waiver, but based on how much I fly it isn't worth the hassle to get the
> waiver.

This just up on the EAA web site. The guy had a bypass several years ago. Never went
for another medical. Could get a waiver, but doesn't want the hassle of doing that.

He's now flying a J-3 out of his back yard on a Sport Pilot certificate.

http://www.sportpilot.org/news/040902_new_pilot.html

George Patterson
If you want to know God's opinion of money, just look at the people
he gives it to.